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Topic: Prvi Partizan Bullets Posted: September 26 2014 at 2:10pm
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as said in another mail service , all around the EU the bullets Sierra MK HPBT 174 gr .311 are
no moreavailables , logically the Hornady 174 and the Sellier & Bellot 180 gr have
been all snapped up .
some of you know the Prvi Partizan FMJ BT 185 gr bullets ? ( the merely nevertheless availables )
mainly its performances on precision shooting ? ....... to avoid i accept to pass the
"CollectorLong Term Storage Oil" on my LB and put information technology in the cupboard
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Mail service Options Thanks(0) QuoteAnswer Posted: September 26 2014 at 3:37pm The biggest possible problem might be the gunkhole tail.
Some (merely not all) Enfields hate the gunkhole tail.
Can you get Prvi Flat base?
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Postal service Options Thanks(0) QuoteAnswer Posted: September 26 2014 at viii:34pm
Shamu wrote: The biggest possible trouble might be the boat tail.
Some (just not all) Enfields hate the boat tail.
The reason a bullet shape may not work as intended is due to the stability of the bullet in flying. This is caused by the speed and twist the bullet has during its flight. Careful load development can nearly certainly negate the effects of too little or likewise much twist, or increase or decrease the speed to find the sweet spot of that bullet. In theory a boat tail out preforms a flat based bullet in ballistic coefficient.
Certainly a longer, lighter bullet (equally in the case of monolithic bullets) tends to require a more than pedantic approach to reloading.
And lastly there is the overall length event. And I'm talking ogive to head length. The greater the bullet has to "spring" before contacting the lands the greater the potential for inaccuracy. I did write a "how to" on checking the ogive to caput length. This may be a place to kickoff.
All the above assumes that the burglarize is working correctly and is in skillful social club (firing pin, head spacing, status of barrel,...), the components of the round are consistent and correct (powder lots, primer type and make, reloading consistency, ...), and that the bullets themselves are of consequent manufacture (weight and length).
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Post Options Thanks(0) QuoteReply Posted: September 27 2014 at vii:11am@Shamu ,
...non availables here
...i made my best results with the sierra 2315that information technology is just a boat tail
in the past i 've tried the 150 gr FB ( Sierra /Hornady ) & Norma 202 in various
combinations of weight and oal but without a decent result
should be very interesting to test some erstwhile MkVII bullet ( the original FB )
once i seen one - anyway here it is impossible to detect - in USA it is bachelor ?
( only bullets, not ammo of which i know the export restrictions ) ... maybe pulled ?
@Dairy Farmer
i know well there is a lot of factors in to create an accurate load , and each has its "spec. weight"
so sometime it seem ...."to be struggling with a kind of black magic" -QuickLoad give us a little
hand , IMHO but on starting , and so yous are alone with your knoledges and your "head"
....and tray , tray again and again and again
about distance from lands , i.e. , the "loooooong" throats of military rifles could drive you
to understimate the result , ...wrong ! ! , i noticed , on my n.4 , in that location is an optimal distance
( neither too close , nor too far ) betwixt bullet and lands , and the variation of the bullet
speed when it appoint the lands it seem to produce very unlike furnishings on stability ,
so on target
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anyway , someone has ever fired / tested these PPU bullets ?
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Post Options Thanks(0) QuoteAnswer Posted: September 27 2014 at 3:37pm It is about worn bores & gas blow by. If your rifle likes ane gunkhole tail information technology volition be happy with all of them.
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Post Options Thanks(0) QuoteRespond Posted: September 28 2014 at 1:18pmI've been trying out the 174Gr Prvi Partisan 'due south in my SMLE and they are performing well; better than my hand loads at present! I have nonetheless to find the right load for the 174Gr Sierra's as what works in my No4 rifle is besides hot in the new barrel of the SMLE. I've fabricated up some test loads today and have dropped the caharge a bit to try and get into the same speed range as the Prvi's and see what happens. I'll exam them and chrono them next weekend.
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Post Options Thanks(0) QuoteReply Posted: September 28 2014 at ane:53pmHi Zed ,
Thank you for good new almost PPU bullets , i recollect i will test information technology
What powder do you utilise for both your Enfields ? ( SMLE and N4 )
...i know that generally the temperature it is related to the burning charge per unit
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Mail Options Thanks(0) QuoteReply Posted: September 29 2014 at 4:31am We don't seem to have a large pick of pulverization in France. I have been using Vectan Tubal 3000 and it is the merely pulverisation that I have used so far when reloading the .303
In the No4Mk1/2 it works well and I load 39.4 grains with the Sierra 174gr boat tails, which gives speeds like to the 2440 feet per second of the original spec as well every bit keeping the groups tight.
However in the SMLE I've not found the correct load still, but I'm just starting out with this burglarize. It had a few issues that have upset the previous tests! rear sight jumping forward from 200 to 450 yards under recoil and 40thou sideways movement in the rear sight pivot.
The PRVI rounds will group within an inch at 50 metres and these rounds chrono around 2370 ft/sec. Besides they do not affect the rear sight. My initial test loads of 38.8gr were likewise fast at around 2500ft/sec and very poor group, (specially with the sight moving upward).
I've fitted a new rear sight bract and replaced the spring and information technology shot well this weekend with the PRVI'southward. I will be testing some softer loads next weekend, 37.3, 37.v, 37.7, 37.ix and chrono them to see what works. I'll let you know!
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Post Options Thanks(0) QuoteAnswer Posted: September 29 2014 at 7:07amTU3000 , it seem a good option for the 303 brit.
...surely with the SMLE will be a matter of few tenths more or less
the smaller thickness of his barrel evidently require differents loads
if possible , y'all should try the IMR 4064 ( according to the season
and to the case volume , 39,5/forty ) primed with Federal 210 GM Friction match
and Sierra 174 MK , surprisingly authentic
....now, without the Sierra , i have to re-build all my match loads
with the well-nigh various bullets brands ( ....those withal availables )
i take got however an half box of Sierra ,a box of Hornady , a box of Southward&B
and , i hope to grasp iii/ four box of PPU ( ...the only yet availables )
......waht a fun !
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Post Options Cheers(0) QuoteReply Posted: October 06 2014 at 10:02amHi gents ,
PPU bullets ( FMJ 182 gr ) received today
some set of rounds already prepared ( IMR4895 / IMR4064 / Vihta N150 )
well ! tomorrow ...the range report
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Post Options Thanks(0) QuoteReply Posted: October 08 2014 at one:31pmHi guys ,
started test of PPU 182 gr FMJ BT
yesterday , 100 mt , sitting , forward rest , 22°celsius , cloudy , windy ,
some pelting some fourth dimension ....i tried anyway
a) IMR4895 xl,iii -Case Federal -Primer RWS -OAL 78,5
three shot of approach , and so a group of five nearly 4 /5 " :((
b) IMR4064 38,ii -Case Fed. -Primer GM210M - same OAL
seven shots , group of virtually 3" ....meliorate
c) Vihta N150 41,two - Case Fed. - Primer RWS - aforementioned OAL
five shots .....a watering can :((
i decided i have to work simply on the combination b) (quite promising ) -
the bulletseem to take a loftier BC - (his lenght is 33,3 mm =1,31" , quite more than Sierra ),
but it is just a trivial pocket-sized in diam . ( .3106 ) and this crave IMHO a load not too "difficult"
and a powder merely a little faster then N150
the photo , ....the next fourth dimension , for now i would to avoid some ..."lol" from yous
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Post Options Thank you(0) QuoteAnswer Posted: October 09 2014 at 4:21am I'll be picking up some Sierra Lucifer kings 174 grain orgives at the weekend also as some Sellier Bellot 180grain orgives. Some places still have stock hither.
I have only e'er used the Sierra's in my reloads on .303's then it will be interesting to compare the Sellier's.
The final test for the SMLE was quite positive, slowing done the speed a bit seems to assist the group size. Best group was 4 holes in a 0.75 inch square and the 5th about 0.5" above. This was at l metres from prone position with a purse to steady the front. This rifle was giving over half dozen" groups at l metres when I started with information technology so I'm happy with the progress. These were averaging nearly 2415 anxiety /2d. It's now very close to what my No4 rifle will shoot.
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Post Options Thanks(0) QuoteAnswer Posted: October 09 2014 at 10:15am Zed wrote: "I'll be picking up some Sierra Match kings 174 grain orgives at the weekend as well every bit some Sellier Bellot 180grain orgives. Some places even so have stock here "
"The last exam for the SMLE was quite positive, slowing done the speed a scrap seems to help the group size. Best group was 4 holes in a 0.75 inch square and the fifth well-nigh 0.5" above. This was at 50 metres from prone position with a bag to steady the front. This rifle was giving over six" groups at 50 metres when I started with it so I'm happy with the progress"
Hi Zed
0,75 at 50 mt information technology is a "a scrap ...about nothing" more than a MOA correct? - open sight i judge ?
starting from 6" , ....a very very good result !
...now you " must" let us encounter some target photo
you worked only on re load or also on wood then the barrel seat ? - the speed it seem to exist
"just the his ain" ...perfect !
....fine to shoot from prone position ! ...mayhap with sling ! - our national federationdoes not recognize ( what a pity ! ) this position for matches 100 mt category "ex service" ...that besides , IMHO , was the master style these rifle was utilized when in service .
please a info , in French republic ( yous are in that location ? ...right ? ) the bullets similar the Sierra 174MK are a
"restricted" marchandise ? ...i wouldlike to contact some seller there ...naturally just if
ittin can effectuate a free shipping ( like the Ita law allow - no restrictions for bullets )
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Post Options Cheers(0) QuoteReply Posted: October 09 2014 at eleven:23amThis rifle has needed some piece of work! When I bought information technology the barrel had some wear at the muzzle, it refused a .305 judge at near 1cm in but was .309 at the end. That I was not happy nearly equally the burglarize was advertised as refusing a .305 guess. To me that should have been the end of the muzzle.
It was awful at 50 metres, target was holes everywhere! effectually 12MOA!
I took it dorsum and paid to get a new barrel (old stock original) fitted.
That improved it quite a lot but probably was down to v MOA. The wood on this rifle was replaced earlier I bought it with late manufacture original; On inspection I constitute that information technology was not properly fitted, uneven contact on the draws to recoil lugs, causing the butt to lay downwardly the left paw side of the fore end barrel channel. This obviously was affecting the accurateness. I take now got fifty-fifty pressure on the draws, barrel is centered in the channel and some wood has been removed to avert unwanted interference of the butt.
Also fitted a new spring to the barrel damper in the olfactory organ cap and adapted the olfactory organ cap fit which was pulling on the barrel due to poor wood shape.
At that place was an immediate improvement, I have existence doing all initial testing with Prvi Partisan ammo to keep things simple. Information technology volition shoot very well with this ammo, and my initial reloads were not every bit skillful; also fast.
I'm at present at the bespeak where the reload with Sierra 174gr match kings are as good as our slightly better than the PRVI. I oasis't quite finished testing yet only it'southward coming together nicely.
Our competitions are prone at 200 metres, no residual but standard sling is ok.
The photo is of before and after sorting the woods aligning, both targets are with PRVI ammo. I do not have a photo of the reload targets yet, but the best ane (37,7gr tubal300) was slight improvement on the best PRVI i.
I will speak to the gunshop onsaturday to ask if it is possible to export orgives. i'll let you know.
Sierra's are not cheap though; most 45 Euros for 100! Sellier Bellot are cheaper at 30 Euro for 100 hence the reason I want to test them.
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Mail service Options Cheers(0) QuoteReply Posted: October 09 2014 at 11:30amand a picture of the rifle. 1929 BSA made No1MkIII*
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Post Options Thanks(0) QuoteReply Posted: October 10 2014 at ten:46amHow-do-you-do Zed
" I took it back and paid to get a new barrel (old stock original) fitted "
...where ?
...in French republic ? there is s pare barrels availables ? 
"... helas!" 
. Here in Ita, this would exist "a dream" (no barrels availability )
ok ...i practise not need , but to know that on necessity yous tin can find information technology , should be great
....practically you had re-built your burglarize , ...and it work !
...and also
looks very proficient
IMHO a work like this can be fabricated but on a "ex service" burglarize , mainly ahoney , onetime
smellie ...nice job Zed !
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